Nurturing Intuition to Find Your Purpose with Kristen Swinehart

Do you ever question your personal norms and wonder if there's a deeper purpose to your life? In this episode, we explore the inspiring journey of Kristen Swinehart, a former lawyer turned psychic medium.

In this podcast episode, we dive into Kristen Swinehart's remarkable journey of self-discovery and embracing her unique gifts. Kristen shares how she discovered her ability  and overcame the resistance to pursue her true calling. She emphasizes the importance of questioning personal norms, trusting intuition, and paying attention to the signs offered by the universe.

Moreover, Kristen sheds light on the afterlife, past lives, and self-care, discussing the challenges of physic abilities and how manifesting ties into the concept of service. She encourages us to embrace our strengths, take small steps, and come from a place of love..

Through this interview with Kristen Swinehart, we are reminded of the significance of self-inquiry and trusting our individual capabilities. Whether you're feeling burnt out or overwhelmed, taking a step back and seeking support from those around us can help us manifest our dreams and find greater alignment in life.

Tune in to this episode to gain valuable insights and be inspired to question your personal norms, embrace your gifts, and create meaningful connections with others.

Key Takeaways:

• Trust yourself and have confidence in doing the work you are called to do.
• Questioning our personal norms can help us to find our life's purpose.
• A big life transition can lead to discovering your true calling.
• Develop an understanding and trust of intuition as a valuable tool.
• Open yourselves to learning and taking small steps in order to find greater alignment in life.

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Transcript

When I was practicing law again, being like, wow, so this is it. Now I have a job that I hate and then I die. Like, is this this? Is it? Is this it? And I just found that really hard to believe. So I started deep diving into books and classes and courses and you know, one, one stone leads you to the next stone, and then you just keep going.

And so then I was doing work with a Peruvian shaman. And in one of the, like the ceremonies, it just dawned on me that I was like, could I be a medium? Like I think I have more information about things than like I really know that I have. And kind of asked him and he was like, yeah. Hello, and welcome back to the New World Normal Podcast.

I am your host, Debbie Harrell, intentional lifestyle coach, questioner of normal, helping my clients and listeners feel empowered to create impactful change in their lives and in the world around them on the new world normal, I am talking with guest experts and thought leaders about questioning normal, disrupting it when necessary, and strategizing on how we can all navigate.

The big cultural shifts that are happening or that need to happen. Um, and today we are talking about questioning personal norms. We are talking to Kristen Swinehart, who is an attorney. Turned professional, medium, and intuitive, and it's a really fun conversation about what happens when you follow the clues that lead you to your life's purpose.

Spoiler alert, there is a Peruvian shaman involved in that process. Hope you enjoyed the conversation. Stick around to the end to hear how you can support the show.

Hi, Kristen. Hello. Happy to be here. I'm so excited to have you here. So excited to have this conversation. We were just talking a little bit about where to jump off, because usually I'm, I'm talking about bigger, more systemic kinds of shifts. And questioning of normal. And your story is definitely how you question normal in your personal life and made some impactful shifts.

And I'm curious to see how they might play out in, in the, um, trickling out into the world around you. But I thought we would start with as an attorney turned medium. Let's start at the beginning. How did you become an attorney? Well, because that's what you do if you grow up in my family. No, not, not totally.

Um, my, my dad was a criminal defense attorney and my mom is a estate Wilson Estates attorney. And so I just kind of thought you went to law school, like most people maybe think of going to college or undergrad. So, and I remember when I was like five years old, I was in the courthouse with my dad and he would be telling people how old he was gonna be.

When I would graduate law school. So like I, I was like, okay, well I guess that's what I'm doing. Um, but I'm grateful that I did. But that's how I got there. Um, and then I really wanted to work in sports and entertainment, so I thought like this was my rationale too. Well, if I understand contracts, I'll be way more marketable to get into the entertainment industry.

So that's kind of what led me into the practice of law. And is that, is that where you ended up working in entertainment and sports? Kind of, and you'll see why this is all so ironic, is I started working with an N F L agent who also did WILL and probate work. And of course I didn't get to do the glamorous N F L stuff.

I did the will and probate work. And now it's hilarious as a medium, I understand the front end of all of somebody when they pass and how to deal with all the assets and all the questions that people ever wanna know. Like, did he really not leave me that thing? Now I can answer from the other side once I connect with spirit.

Oh, that's amazing. And, and if there's any, I imagine if there's any confusion or. Or, uh, questions left for the person that's passed over. Like you have a unique way of Yeah, I would never, I would never do it that way. Now, from a legal, you know, don't wanna, but it's, it, I mean, I, I don't practice law at all anymore, so I wouldn't, but it is interesting to like now know, because when I talk to people who have lost, you know, someone and they, they're in the midst of like dealing with all of the will and probate stuff.

It's kind of funny when they come to me for one thing, but I actually very much understand what they're talking about. That is interesting. So how did you make the switch? How did you discover you have? Because did you know that you had these talents all along or? I did not, this is more of a recent discovery within the last, you know, three, four years.

I actually stopped practicing law about as soon as I got into it. Um, when I was 25. I was like, Ooh, this is not for me. And, and really this is a bit where a lot of it started, well actually I should rewind. My father passed when I was 18 and that's when I really started to be. Like, well, this doesn't make sense.

Like you just work really hard and then you die. Like, then what happens? You know? And so I think I kind of had a bit of a question, but I also wasn't like deep diving exploring into any of this. I just knew that I was. Really struggling with his passing. But then, you know, I just kept going. I just kept on moving through without really processing a lot of it.

I think, well, not, I think now I look back, I'm like, oh yeah, I totally missed all that. Um, and um, so then when I was practicing law again, being like, wow, so this is it. Now I have a job that I hate and then I die. Like, is this, this is it? Is this it? And I just found that really hard to believe. So I started deep diving into books and classes and courses and you know, one, one stone leads you to the next stone and then you just keep going.

And so then I was doing work with a Peruvian shaman and then one of the, like the ceremonies, it just dawned on me that I was like, could I be a medium? Like I think I have more information about things than like I really know that I have. And kind of asked him and he was like, yeah. And then like, that's about how as excited he was about it.

Like, oh yeah, you know, just like nonchalant. Yeah. Like, yeah, Uhhuh. Yeah. And then I said, well, I think I'm afraid of it. He's like, mm-hmm. And it like left it like that. That was like it. And I was like, well, what the heck? So then I went out after that and started researching and trying to figure out how to learn to be a medium.

Okay. Well, I, I need to stop you for a second because I am curious how you get from, um, these existential questions after your dad passing and, and. Picking up books to working with a Peruvian shaman, like what books would you get? You know, I think that, that, I believe this, that like, when you just start taking steps in the universe to show the universe, like, Hey, I'm interested, or I'm trying to learn something.

It's like, you know, the next thing is laid in front of you. And the next thing and the next thing I mean, and talk about, I hadn't really put this piece together, but talk, talk about how ironic this was. So, After I practiced law, I went to New York City because I was gonna manage comedians. This is where my entertainment piece came in.

So I'm working with comedians and I was like, it'd be really helpful if I knew the Booker of David Letterman. Maybe I can meet him somehow. So I write an email and figure out something. Well, don't I end up meeting him and we become friends. And then he was one of the people that got me into a course that like, Was the trajectory that started taking me all over the place.

So it was like nuggets all over and just like taking each nugget to like the next nugget. So that's why, you know, ending up with a Peru shaman was totally different. But I also was in a place in my life. I always tell people, like, if you told me to eat dirt and spin around and lay on the ground, like, and it would work and things would get better, I would've done it.

So it was like, you know, well I haven't tried that thing. Let me try this thing. So what I'm hearing is you were asking questions and you were open. Open to what answers might come. Yeah, I guess so. I hadn't really thought, you know, I just, yeah, I hadn't really thought of it that way, but that's essentially what happened.

Yeah. Well, because I, I, my, I'm gonna say my story's similar, but the, the similarities in that, I was searching and asking those existential questions of like, is this all there is? And of course I started pulling at threads, but none of 'em led me to a Peruvian shaman. So maybe this conversation will lead you to a Peruvian shaman.

Oh my goodness. We might be onto something. Um, so you found your way. By, by following the kus and, and remaining open to the messages coming from the universe to this, the shaman and think like, Hey, Mamia, I'm a medium. But even that, recognizing that you have the, the skill or talent to do that and then making the leap to now you're doing that full-time, what happened in that transitional, like what?

Right. So. I guess I, I really was learning a lot of this during Covid, so that was interesting because I was learning how to do readings on the phone and I mean, I know that's how people used to do it, but over Zoom, but there was definitely nothing in person at the time. And so I just kept practicing and had free time on my hands.

So I would, you know, call up friends and be like, Hey, can I try this? And then, and you know, and so it kind of again, like. Then somebody, they would send me somebody a referral and then, so I just kept doing this until one day somebody paid me and then I was like, oh yeah, I guess I could get paid to do this.

And uh, then I started charging and people were paying me. And um, so I did that for like a while on the side while having other jobs. And then more recently when I was back in the legal industry, I just got to a point where, I just was so burnt out like in the morning when you just are like, Ugh, I cannot go for another meeting.

Like I cannot sit through this. And, um, but it's because I knew there was something else I wasn't doing that was also gonna really help a lot of people. And that was definitely out of alignment with I believe what I'm here to do. So I just decided to make like the, a massive switch because, and go all in.

And I, some of the advice I got along the way from people kind of in the community that. The spiritual community I'm in is like, double down on yourself, like double down on yourself and how many times do we not bet on ourselves? And when they kept telling me this, I was like, that is right. Like why am I not like, and who am I not helping because I'm mo trust that I can do this.

So that's how I made that transition. Did you ever have any of the, I know a lot of times when people are making big shifts like that, the, the common phrases, imposter syndrome. Did you ever feel any of that? Oh no, never. Not even right now. No, I'm totally kidding. It's like I have it all the time. No, I have it all the time.

Like, who am I to even be on here to be talking about this? Like, I, it's so funny you said that. I literally was reading, uh, something on imposter syndrome before I got on. I had two podcast interviews today. This is the second one before I got on the first one about imposter syndrome. Like, I was like, right, I need to not feel like an imposter on these interviews.

Yes, 100% I believe it because I what? What prompted me to ask is you said something about who, who could I be helping if I were living more aligned to what you, you felt your purpose was. And so many times people feel the, well, who am I to do that work? And I f I believe the question we should be asking ourselves, especially in this particular time in history is, who are we not to?

I feel like the callings put upon our hearts are, there's like a moral imperative to it. I feel like there's a lot of craziness going on in the world, and if you have a way to alleviate some of the suffering for others, um, who are you not to do that? So that's my little moment on the soapbox. I'll step back off and I'm really glad.

No, it's a really good one. I, I'm glad you found your way to your purpose. And how, how are you, how has it changed your life? Well, I would say one of the biggest things is when I work with somebody and they come back with a story on somehow they've been able to move forward or it just really helps them, whatever that is, like it, to me, it's like, yes, when I practiced law, nobody was coming back and being like, I really like the way all that worked out.

Like nobody ever thanked me in, in that world. And not that it's about me receiving praise, but at least to know that like, hey, the contribution, like somebody is actually getting a contribution that's. Fundamentally impacted their life in a good way. That would be, I mean that's from the, the work, how it impacts my life in general.

I mean, it's kind of funny cause. Some people are like, you do what? And then, you know, have a million questions and, and, and opinions on it, which is fine. Everyone's entitled to that and then other people are like, oh my God, I'm so excited. Like, you know, they get so excited to meet me and I like crack up.

I'm like, I'm just this normal, normal person, right? I'm just this normal person that all of a sudden figured out I can do something I didn't know. It's amazing. It's encouraging, and I hope anybody listening is encouraged to keep pulling at the threads that the universe might be sending them and who knows where it might lead them.

I, I know we talked a little bit about, or I was thinking before I got on the call about the ways this shows up. This type of work might show up in systems in our, our current society. And I'm always drawn to, or I was drawn quickly to the. Christian base recognizing this as as bad, you know, when we're, we're talking to spirits and leading into our intuitive knowledge that, that that's somehow seen as bad or evil.

Have you encountered any of that type of, of messaging in your work? You mean people that tell me I do the devil's work? Yes, I have actually. That does happen. Um, but that's okay because. We're all allowed to have our beliefs and opinions, although sometimes I wish people wouldn't tell me their opinion, but, well, and I've, I've, I hope, I feel like people are more open to different ways of doing things, and I just started thinking about like indigenous cultures and how they have so much more of a connection to their ancestors and, uh, uh, being respectful and, and asking for guidance, which is, those messages would be, In the realm of what you are, are working with have, well, obviously cuz you started with a Peruvian shaman, which is exactly what then I'm talking about.

Right? Well that's bec but you know that, that, although kept it obvious. No, but but actually that, you know how his response to me was so like nonchalant because it was like, yeah. Like hello, people can do that. You know, like that's how I interpreted like, yeah, you like. You know, as simple as, I'm like, yeah, you would just do that as a profession.

Not, not as a profession, but like it wasn't like that interesting or intriguing to him because he knows that that's part of like what people can do. What people can do, right. I'm like, yeah, and I feel like I kind of know the answer. Do you feel like most people have intuitive abilities? I think we all have it.

We all have it, in my opinion. It's just to the degree that we trust it or tap into it or, you know, sometimes maybe there's trauma or, you know, beliefs that are covering it. So it's like, no, I definitely don't have that. But at some point sometimes, you know, when you were like, I had a gut feeling, or I should have trusted my gut, like, that's it.

That's it. Those are, those are the things, you know. So if we all just leaned in a little more to that, you practice and develop it further. I was gonna say that would be a practice. Do have you, do you have any, when you were first starting or first exploring or recognizing that you had these abilities, did you have any practices, I hate to use the same word again, but that helped you develop?

Gosh, I'm trying to think. You know, I, I find myself doing this a lot more now is like feeling like I hear something and this is what gets a little confusing. Like sometimes spirit is like in your own voice. So if you sing like your favorite song, the way you hear it in your head like that, that's how Spirit can show up too.

So sometimes it's like you're hearing your own voice, but you can like, am I crazy? Am I thinking that? Is that my, like, so when I hear those little things, if it says to, you know, do whatever, even if it's something small, you know, go, right, not left. Or I'm leaning into making more of those like, oh, I'm hearing some, I'm actually gonna do that this time versus what I want.

Or think I need to be doing. Um, so I, I think it's just like, if you hear that little voice or if there's something that's, you know, like tune into that and then I just keep following it. I'm like, that sounds fun, but also a little scary. It's totally scary. Totally scary. I would be lying if I'm like, Ooh, I don't, ugh.

Really, really, I'm curious now, like what, how different would the world be if we were all leaning into. Are intuitive abilities. I think a lot of people would have a lot of different jobs. You know, I think people would be doing things a lot differently. I mean, who even knows? Because right now it's like just mind driven.

And I, you know, I've definitely been very mind driven. That's what I learned how to do, and I learned how to do it pretty effectively through law school. Right? Like something totally different, which is like, this is the way it is. It's. You know, black and white. Sometimes there's gray, but we'll argue about that versus like this voice in my head, which sounds like I'm a lunatic, and I wonder if the voice in your head that first starts with the, like, what are we doing?

Why are we doing this? Like I was watching, it was a young guy on a TikTok and I have so much hope for this younger generation, but he was like, I was just in a meeting and I thought we were all just working to survive, but these people are taking it really seriously. Like this is really important to them.

And he's like, I just don't understand why. And I'm like, this is so true. Because it wasn't until, you know, 15 years into a corporate job that I'm like, What are we doing? No, really, where's all this paper going? And why are we running and analyzing all these numbers and does anybody really care about this stuff?

Like what the hell is going on? Oh, that's funny. And I feel like more people, especially after the pandemic where we had that, that space of time of, you know, go to your room and think about what you've done, that we had a little more time to sit with those, that voice. And tune in. And I'm wondering, well, is that the start of your intuition?

Like letting you know that? I don't think you're on the right track here. Yeah, I mean, I feel like anytime you kinda start questioning yourself for something that you're doing, it might be an opportunity to be like, well, wait, why am I questioning this? Like, maybe this isn't the thing, you know, or the, whatever the case may be.

And just keep asking more questions. You know, just like getting curious with it and not judging it either, because it's like, well, I can't. I can't not practice law. I spent all this time in school and things and what, you know, like what? Imagine if I questioned it and then started to like judge it and stay in it because I didn't think I could leave because of all these other things and just be miserable for the entire time.

But then it's like, well what is, what is the point of this? And I feel a curiosity is always like, you know, it's just an easier way to navigate. Yeah. The getting curious. I love that. And the. Staying out of judgment because as you were saying, like who am I to not stay in law after I've put all this work into it?

Cause it doesn't make logical sense. But another part of you, another part of you was recognizing, but this, it makes sense to me. Right? Yeah. And you know, I mean, logic is great for a lot of things and it's also not great for a lot of other things. So finding the happy medium, uh, is important. Well, that's that balance between the right and left brain, right?

You know, the analytical and the creative. Um, and staying curious and open. Now that you find yourself in this intuitive space and you're using your medium mediumship skills and knowledge, how have you been able to show up differently for, I mean, your clients and the people in your day-to-day life? For me, I feel like it's actually like, I guess being more aware of just people.

In general, like it just, uh, I'm more in tune to like energy and like what? Like, what if I walk into a room and if the energy feels like really heavy or dark or like, I'm more in tune to those types of things where I might be like, oh, you know what, this doesn't feel like a place I should be. I think I'm gonna leave.

You know? And before in the past I'd be like, well, I'm here, so now I gotta stay, you know? And so now I, I try to tune in and respect what I'm I. Feeling. And then if there's a way to like, okay, I'm not gonna, and, and that's the thing, like sometimes I'll, if I go in like to a restaurant and it, I like, oh yeah, this would be great.

And then I go and I'm like, you know what? I'm not feeling this. In the past I literally would've sat there and like, just endured and had like a, not a nice experience. And so now I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna leave and go someplace else. And that may seem like simple, but it totally changes. And then I'll, you know, meet somebody that's like some destined to meet person, you know, like that some crazy story will come out of it because I didn't stay in that place where I didn't belong.

And you trusted yourself. I feel like that's probably building such a, a different kind of confidence in and self-assuredness. You know, a lot of us spent so many time like doubting ourselves. Yeah. And, and I was gonna, you know, I would probably stay in that place cuz I'd feel bad cuz the hostess already sat me and now I'm gonna leave.

You know, like Kristen, don't just stay there cuz you're gonna feel bad. You're gonna feel worse if you actually stay there. That might be a little bit of our codependent programming that we get of like, she's already sat me, she's already given me the thing, like the napkins are here. I must be miserable for the next hour and a half, right?

Yeah. Choose you and like how pr, how practically. I'm curious, you and I are you. I opened an offering to come to one of your group sessions and it was very fun, very interesting. Is that how you're doing most of your work these days? I noticed you said something about doing corporate. Yes. So I do. So what you're talking about is the gallery style reading, which is like a larger group.

Um, and. Maybe not everybody will get a message, but some, you know, so it's kind of an interesting thing because it's like getting smaller bite size messages versus a full on reading. Um, I like doing the groups probably. I mean, that, that's actually my favorite way to do that because they're just very fun.

I think that they're a lot of fun. It's very interesting. Like you have no idea what's gonna happen. Um, so. And those are always where like, I'm like mind blown, like, oh, how could that even happen here? Um, so those are really fun. Um, I do privates like one-on-one. Um, But for me, it feels like it's the same amount of energy or less to do a group than a one-on-one.

And this way I can reach more people. Um, and I have done events, all kinds of events, uh, corporate events, Halloween events, and that's, you know, the more I can get out there and practice. And, you know, the only way to really learn this is like, you can, like, understand it and also like just keep doing it.

Fun. That sounds kind of intimidating, but I guess that's part of the practice and Oh yeah, it is. Trust me, when there's like people staring at you and you're like, oh my God, I hope something shows up here. I don't freak myself out so bad I can't do this. In the group session I did with you, it was fun. As you're talking about the message you're getting, hearing everybody like, well, could that be so and so?

Maybe like everyone trying to figure out, is it for me? I don't know. And the one that came for, for me, it took me a while cause I was like not expecting. Of all the, because I've lost a handful of people in the past couple years. Um, so I thought if anybody was gonna come through, it would be one of those handful of people, and it was somebody at a left field.

And I was like, well, it's sounding more and more like, this could be my person. So that was, that was interesting. Yeah. That, that's can be the tricky part when you do the group, because sometimes people will not remember who you're talking about, like, at all. And I, I did a group, I mean, um, an event the other day.

And this woman just did not remember that she had a friend that had died in a car accident when they were like childhood friends. And then I had been asking this name over and over again, like, and it kept coming back throughout the event. And then finally the, this woman was like, but yeah, I had a friend that died in a car accident and when we were kids, and then I was like, was her name, whatever.

And she was like, oh my God. It was, she just did not like it. Just did not. Register at all. So, and you know, but it's, yeah, like who would be thinking, right? You have like, mom, dad, grandma, grandpa, you know, whoever those Exactly. People are not like that person. Do you have any, any stories, like exceptional stories that have come through or people that have said like, oh, because of what you told me, like, I figured X, Y, or Z out, or, yes.

I mean, I, I've had some really interesting ones. Um, I mean a musician and we talked about, you know, some deeper type stuff. But essentially at one point I was like, I feel like the song's gonna be about, you know, whatever. And then she recently reached out and was like, guess what? I wrote that song. And I now have like, I might get this botched up, but like a Grammy award-winning producer is working with me on it, or you know, and then somebody else who was trying to write, um, Like a kid's book.

And then she just recently reached out and was like, oh, look, here I am with this. And showed me where she is with the animation. And then a more recent one also, that was just really fascinating. Um, and I have permission to share the stories, um, was a family that lost their young daughter and I said, well, she really, it feels like she really wants, um, she's like talking about going to Disney World and taking her little sister and.

They were like, oh, we were wondering. But we just have a really hard time doing that cuz we feel bad because she's not there. I said, she says she's been to Disney, she's had fun, you know, ridden all the rides and so take your, take her little sister and then the following week, cuz I do like a follow up session just to see how the information landed or anything happened.

She, they were like, we booked our trip to Disney World. So we're, you know now, we'll, you know, Do our best to really have more fun with it. So like that's something, and I love when there's like action takers on the, you know, on the information. It's always really exciting when it's like, wow, that's awesome.

Like that little girl now is gonna have a different experience. Yeah. That's gotta feel good. And ironically, I just interviewed a woman who is, she's a grief. Grief coach. I don't know. She helps people through with grief and that's, and, and part of what led her there is, uh, she lost her son and she talks about her and her daughter intentionally spending his birthday, I think, in a place that he loved.

At first they weren't sure if they were gonna be able to visit it because of all the memories, but then they decided to go with intention and remember him, but then also create new memories. So I love that. That is similar to what happened for that family. Yeah, I think, and I say this from my experience, and it sounds like if you're like going through grief at the time, you know, be like, okay, I don't really wanna hear this, but like, finding the gold in the grief.

Like what are the nuggets that come out of grief in some level? And it, it, it can take forever or maybe never, but you know, I look at my dad's passing and this was, that was part of the catalyst to even start me down this whole crazy path. Like, I would not have known, probably had I, I could do this if it weren't for me starting to question, what the heck, you know, and, oh, go ahead.

I was gonna say, do you ever get messages from him or are you able to connect with him or, yeah, that, that is definitely a practice. Like, it's like, I can tell you what your dad says and their dad, but like my dad, it took me a long time to be able to kind of tap in a little more and it's not, so now there's like different things where I'm like, oh yeah, for sure that's my dad.

Or like, it'll be, you know, anything from seeing his name was Howard, like a Howard Street sign when I'm thinking about him, or you know, just crazy things like that. But I do feel like I've been able to. Connect and have more of a, obviously not like a normal parent child relationship here, but at least be able to know like, yes, he's still around.

And like there are things that like, no coincidence that definitely happened and that was for sure my father, you know, and then I've, you know, worked with other mediums and they'll bring him through. And that's super fun to have that experience too. And then it's like, whoa, this is what it's like to be on the other side.

Of the experience. I, I was gonna say, that's, um, it's gotta help with the grief, your grief, and then knowing that you're creating that bridge for other people to help with their grief. Mm-hmm. Yeah. What a gift. What a gift. Yeah. A gift in the, in the grief. Like that is definitely, that was definitely one of 'em, that's for sure.

And, and I think too, like I feel like had I known that I could do this when he passed or like that there was something else, Then maybe it wouldn't have been so much on some level, right? Because it's like you think like that's the end. Uh, my belief was like, that is the end. There was nothing more. I will never be able to have any type of communication with him again, ever was my thought process.

And now it's like he's still guiding me and giving me information. And maybe had I known that, it might not have been, I mean, I'm not saying it wouldn't have been bad, but maybe it could have lessened it a little bit. Yeah, I, I would agree with that. And now I'm curious, I believe there's the afterlife and that they're still with us.

And then now I've also believed like that we come back. Do do you believe that we come back? I do. Yeah. I think we have, definitely have past lives and all kinds of things. Yeah. Okay. And I, I was excited about that. About the thought of past lives and coming back again until I had the realization that lately I've been like, oh, we just have to get through this one lifetime.

Cause I'm like, things are crazy right now. And it looks kind of bleak. Like, we've got all this environmental issues and like how dystopian and is it gonna get, you know, like, and I'm thinking I've only got, you know, and I know that's morbid. I'm a woman person. No, I, I, I've, I accept that death is gonna happen.

Um, But then someone was talking about, but then when you come back and I'm like, oh shit, I gotta come back. You gotta come back. And I don't, obviously I don't really know how all that works, but, um, I, I'm not, I'm not gonna, um, oh yeah, no, no. Hold you to it by any means, but just curious. I, I mean, yeah, I think, and I don't know if, like, I feel like some people are like, well, then you get to a certain place where like you don't come back.

And I'm like, well, I have no idea. Like, you know, I don't, I don't know how all of it works, but I do believe you do come back. I don't know for how many lifetimes or what happens beyond that, but Right. Is there an inventory or is there, are there actually boxes we're checking off? We just don't know about 'em.

Yeah. That would be ironic. Yeah. Who knows? I guess we'll find out one day. Yeah, I'm, I'm curious. I've read that book, many Masters of Many Lives, many Lives Mini Masters by Brian Weiss. Yeah, that's an interesting book. Yeah. I read it years ago and I feel like, I feel like I need to read that again. That's probably a good idea for myself too.

Well, and I've, I've been trying to like, connect more with my intuitive abilities. Like, I'm not even sure that they're there. Like I, I know that they're there at a, a level and, and what I'm saying is like, I've had friends who talk about manifesting and like, oh yeah, I do that and that happens and I get that all the time.

And I was like, what the, what the hell? Like, come on, like I want some of that. And I always felt like, am I just like unlucky? Like I don't understand. But then when I had my go to go to your room and think about what you've done moment, and started asking the bigger questions like, what the hell am I doing?

And this can't be all there is. And I start following the little threads of. Well, maybe you should try some of this and do something like this and like this could be a way you can be of service. And started pulling on those threads. Then the, you know, quote unquote manifestations started happening and I started to think like, well, maybe it's not just about manifestation, but it's about alignment.

And, and when you're, when you are aligned and paying attention or open, those things are happening more. And so I'm like, Wanting. I want some more of that. Not just the manifestation, but two, I think. I think what I'm longing for and trying, the question I'm trying to form is, or maybe if it's not just an observation, the getting back to trusting ourselves.

That's so funny cuz I was gonna ask you like, do you trust yourself? I. Like, that's the question that was coming to my mind about when you were talking about this, right? It's like, no, I couldn't be possibly creating the things that I want in my life. No, I, I'm not capable of doing that. Like, whatever the, and that's not con, not necessarily like a conscious thought, but it's like, okay, yeah, you're lucky I'm not right?

Or like, whatever the story is about why you wouldn't be getting it. And also are you creating the thing, not you, but like in general, right? Like are we creating the things and we're missing it cuz we're not paying attention that it's actually possible. For us to create those things. Yeah. Or that we're so busy and hyper focused on the boxes and getting through the list and doing the things that we're not, you know, head up and looking to what's happening in the world around us, or being battered by the news cycle so that we're paying attention to all that kind of stuff and not really where we are having an impact in our day-to-day lives.

Um, and, and as I lean into it and as I see. The, the proof or the evidence, I should say, cuz it's not proof. But, you know, I could in the past find all that evidence of it not being true. Right? Like, my friend's lucky, I'm not, I could show you all the ways I'm not lucky, but now that I'm, I'm experiencing it more and I'm leading into like, okay, Debbie, well where can you find the evidence that it is happening and you are.

And this is the experience you're happening, you're having. It's kind of fun. It's kinda like a game. And I would encourage anybody listening to think about how that might be playing out in their lives and what clues they might be missing in their busy, busy, busy. The glory of the busy, how we all like to glorify being busy.

I think that's such a, uh, fun thing to put out there because I will have people say, and even sometimes I'm like, am I making this up? Like, did that really happen or am I just like wanting that to be? But then as I like, oh no, that, and then it, to your point, as you lean into it and more and more of those things start to happen and keep happening, you're like, okay, well this is definitely.

It's happening like this is, and so when people, like, even if you're questioning em, I don't know if that's possible, but just maybe just again, get curious and start being like, well, what if that did happen? Like, and then that, playing that curiosity with it and see where it takes you and Yeah, where it might lead.

And then maybe we'll get to see what the world would be like if we were all using our intuition. It'd be much more fun than that dystopian future that media wants us to, um, get to, or. Seems to be predicting we're gonna get to. Well, this has been fun. I appreciate you coming on. We've talked about the different ways you're working with people.

How can people get in touch with you? Sure. So I, you can find me@www.kristenswinehart.com and there I'm actually offering the group experience like you had, um, for 1999. So I feel like that's pretty affordable for people to just have this experience to just see what it's like. Like obviously if you are, you know, into it and hoping to get a message, great.

And even if you're just curious and wanna see. You don't have to receive a message, and maybe not everybody will, but at least is like an opportunity, like how I kind of threw out for you guys to just say like, what the heck even happens here? So that's what I'm offering so people can check that out. And I, there's also an option for a one-on-one if that's, you know, if you already know.

Like yes, I definitely wanted to have a reading. Okay. Two things. I completely forgot to ask you a question, but I want to comment on that 1999 because I think that is amazing. I think that's so accessible and doable for just about anybody. And. I feel that's really important right now because so many times these types of services are just outta reach for people and it always makes me so sad.

So thank you. I appreciate you, um, having that offering. And the question I was gonna ask you earlier, but I'm like, no, that's usually my end of the end of the interview question is, Times are, as I said several times in this conversation, times are crazy. And I feel like yes, the news cycle does abuse us. I feel like there's an element, a lot of people that just like to turn off the news, which is a tool, but then you know, you have to turn on every once in a while cause you have to maintain a certain level of awareness.

But that turning off is an element of self self-care. So my question for you, especially doing the work you do, how do you take care of yourself? While staying, you know, tuned in to this crazy world that we're living in. This is pro, I mean this is, this is the truth. I definitely do not pay enough attention to the news or anything going on there.

Like people have to actually tell me things, you know, like. My mom, our friends, Kristen, do you know this is happening? So, oh, okay. Well, there we go. Um, so I literally don't ever turn on my, my television actually doesn't even work. Um, so that total aside, uh, but you know, really taking some quiet time like Epson salt baths, um, exercise.

Even just sometimes, like, just being alone and out of all the noise and the chaos to just kind of like recuperate in a sense, because it is a lot, can be a lot of energy and especially for people that are empaths and pick up other people's energy, like taking that time for yourself to kind of reset is really important.

So, um, I personally need to get out in nature more. Like that's a really helpful way. So, you know, there's, there's some things that I know I could be better at. And there are also things where I'm like, this is definitely a go-to for me. Right. I love all that. I love the Epson salt soaks too. We actually got a lot of rain this year, so I'm like, oh, I could take some, some soaks in the tub and not feel guilty about using that water.

Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I had that thought today. I was like, oh man. That is a lot of water. And then another question I like to ask a sense, we are about questioning normal and disrupting it whenever possible. If you had a magic wand and could disrupt something that. We, the, the, the collective we, the cultural we, the, the bigger we that we take as take for granted as normal, and you can disrupt it with your magic wand.

What would you disrupt? Hmm. Gosh. Well, that's a very interesting question. Um, it was very long-winded and convoluted too. I was like, I gotta get to this a little more concisely. I was like, oh my God. I dunno if I'll be able to answer this one. Uh, no. Uh, that's why it was long I was giving you time. Yeah.

Time to think. Um, uh, which means I'm gonna overthink it. Uh, gosh. I just wish that we could like inherently be or do whatever we are without having like such like, I don't know, like being confined and I take this back to the job, but like feeling like you have to have a certain type of job to be a certain way to do a certain thing and not just being like yourself.

Because I know people do think I can be odd or weird or whatever, and I've never considered myself normal. I just thought there's something different about me. But like that, that would be okay. And I mean that for everybody to be like, be okay being who you are without feeling like there's all these ways that you have to be.

I don't know if that makes sense, but it, it does, and it kind of, I've, I've been, I've not officially been diagnosed, but I've been like, did I be a D H D or maybe even on the autism spectrum, like I feel like my brain just doesn't work the same as others. And then I started thinking like, here are so many people talking more about these neuro divergent ways that people operate.

And I'm like, well, could it be that we all just. Like are on this spectrum and some are operating more to this way. My hand is to the right for you listening and others operate more to the left. And then all the rest of us like fall in there where our brains just work differently and, and that be the same on how we're showing up in the world.

Some of us are super analytical and we're gonna show up in these straight laced ways these. Clearly defined ways of like, I am a, this insert any profession. And others of us are like, we show up in all of these different ways with all these different hats because that's what feels good to us. And that one isn't right or wrong either, right?

Like that, it's like, I mean, great if you like the very structured way and you work well in that. Perfect. Or if you're like, This is myself. There's no chance I am gonna be able to function really, really well at 9:00 AM and do the, you know, like, it, it doesn't, it's not, I don't really work that way. No. I'm recognizing that stuff about myself more and more as the years ago.

Oh my God, how did I do that for so many years? Fit myself in that box and make, and was successful at it, which is just bonkers to me. It was actually Simon Sinek. Someone shared a clipped video of him talking about, I think he was talking about the fact that he's got a D H D and that ch and embracing the fact that because my brain works differently, it doesn't mean that it's less than.

Right. I have deficiencies in this areas, but I have strengths in this areas. It's just a different, and I feel like that's the same with all of our talents, like, because I'm better able to fit my, myself. Actually it was a Mel, Rob. No. I'll take, do I spend too much time on social media perhaps because now I'm talking about Mel Robbs poster.

She was talking about getting up early and being a morning person and how amazing it is, and I decided I was going to comment. I never comment. But I was like unpopular opinion. I have spent years feeling guilty that I was not a morning person because they make you feel like if you're not up early being productive, you are less than.

And I'm like, but I am productive in the afternoon. So my productivity just happens to be at a different hour. Doesn't mean that I'm less than, I feel like I'm off on a tangent, but I It's cause I love what you said. No. Makes total sense. No, I'm, I'm with you. Because I always feel bad, like, oh my God, I wasn't up and then I missed the thing and now I'm gonna be unproductive and my whole day.

And you know, it's like, oh yes, you might as well just go back to bed. You got such mind chatter going on. That's not gonna help you get anything done. Or just embrace that like, hey, I get up at this hour and I take some time in the morning. Because that's what I need for my psyche to be online, for my brain to function and to me to be able, I was gonna say, to form coherent se sentences, I've been a little rambly today, so that might be in question.

That's funny. Um, All right. Well, I feel like we've gotten through our questions. You've already, we've done in reverse order. You've already told everybody where they can connect with you. This has been a lot of fun. I'm like, Is it bad that I've been rambling kind of in circles? I don't know. I'm not gonna question it.

I'm not gonna judge it. I'm just gonna be curious. Like, I know I always, whenever I was on somebody's podcast, I'm like, I don't even know what just happened on there. Like, I'm, I'm, well, I'm I'll either. Like, oh, listen back and be like, well, it's hard for me to listen back to myself to be totally honest on that too.

So I'll like be like, Ooh, I don't know if I can do this. So who knows what comes outta my mouth sometimes. And that's the other thing, if I just like. Don't think about it. I just don't know what's gonna be said. And so then I'm like, well, that was an interesting thing to say there. Yeah. And, and it all works out, right?

I feel like I can get super judgey about almost everything that comes outta my mouth. But the reality is, I have a podcast now, so that's gonna be exhausting. Hey. Yeah. Yay. And I just embraced that there's gonna be an occasion where I'm gonna say something stupid and I just, I hope everyone knows I come from a place of love.

My intention is to share right, interesting information in a loving way. So if I do say something wrong, just take that, that under consideration, right? And on that note, I think we can say goodbye. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thanks for sticking around to the end of the show. I really hope you enjoyed the conversation.

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